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Armed Traffic Stop Additonal Comments
I thought this information was so good to show our Citizen's how to react to the police.
Bravo!!
Joe Cuccio
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Interesting video. I feel like he let the guy pass with a warning because he didn't want to have to take the gun back to his car to get his ticket pad. He was definitely consumed by the fact that the guy had a gun rather than his speed violation. And, if that guy took any longer getting his proof of insurance I would have been suspicious.
D. Morgan
------------------------------------------------------------------------- I live here in New Mexico. We don’t have a requirement to notify an officer of whether we are armed or not. I do believe it’s a good practice and try to remember to do so. Recently, while riding as a passenger in a friends vehicle we were pulled over as he was not wearing his seatbelt. The officer asked if there were any firearms in the vehicle and I responded yes and that I had a concealed carry permit. What bothered me is after the officer asked for my gun he 1, didn’t ask to see my permit. And 2, took my gun back to his vehicle and returned it at the end of the stop both unloaded and with the clip out. I have a large collection of firearms, and even so I am not so familiar with all that I can operate each and every one of them without taking some time to figure out where the magazine release is, what kind of de-cocking mechanism it has. Do you have to manually drop the hammer and if so did you cushion it to prevent hammer damage from a dry fire. What I’m getting at is in my example this officer might have caused damage to my gun. He should have returned it just as he received it. To many times on the show COPS, I’ve seen officers fumble with a weapon they were unfamiliar with possibly damaging it. No consequence to some idiot thug but a licensed holder has gone through as extensive a background check as the officer and in some cases obtained at least an equal degree of training. I like that in your video, the officer controlled the weapon and returned it just as it was handed to him. If my gun had been damaged, I would have filed a suit against this officer and his department and they I think would have been held responsible for damages. Thanks for the great site and informative video. Maybe a few police officers might get something from it too.
Ron, New Mexico
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I have not acquired a gun yet, but one of my concerns was what to do if I was stopped for a traffic violation. This is the first web-site I went to. The video was a big help and answered all my questions. Thanks,
Mary May
Dothan, Alabama
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Would like to use your video in my concealed weapons class.
Captain Tim Hartman
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The video helped me to understand the correct procedures to follow as a law abiding citizen. I certainly want to know my responsibility in a situation such as this one. The policeman on the video was clear and concise in his explanation. Thank you.
Allana
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A good idea suggested in my training was to turn on the inside lights in your vehicle when pulled over after dark. This, along with hands on the wheel, would hopefully cause less suspicion and perhaps a little less apprehension for the officer. It also should cause more consideration for you in showing this courtesy.
JP Nashville, TN
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Re: Armed Traffic Stop Video………Before reaching into a glove compartment or other area of the vehicle, the subject of a car stop should notify the officer and obtain his permission to make such movements……..especially after notifying him that there are weapons in the vehicle………Otherwise, great video.
Thanks,
Bob Campbell
NYPD Lieutenant (retired)
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John G. Doak, Sr., Tennessee
The officer was foolish and unnecessarily endangered both of them. To approve of the officer's handling of this stop is to invite others to copy his actions. The citizen, under different circumstances, (make the citizen a woman and the time ,after dark, and the place isolated. The citizen being legally armed, the officer should not try to take possession of her weapon unless in conjunction with a probable cause arrest and then only after making the arrest. To direct the citizen to remove one or both hands from the steering wheel, endangered both. Directing the citizen to touch the weapon was an unnecessarily dangerous choice. The citizen could have been left-handed or ambidextrous.
In agree with your basic premise that the citizen should remain in the car with both hands on the steering wheel and inform the officer that he is legally armed; For the officer to demand possession of the weapon unless in pursuit of an arrest is arguably, illegal; and in any event it defeats part of the purpose of the 2nd amendment.
The attempt of the British to take away the weapons of the American citizens was what actually sparked the revolutionary War.
When the citizen stops, places his hands on the steering wheel and keeps them there until the officer directs otherwise and tells the officer that he is legally armed, he should be accorded the respect he is due.
From that point on each should treat the other with courtesy and think before doing anything suddenly.
I've been availing myself of my second amendment rights for 51 years and for the past 42 I've been legally armed per Tennessee Law. I've also legally practiced law for over 47 years and one son has been a Metro Officer for over 15 years and a member of it's SWAT Team for 14 years.
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I was a passenger in a trafic stop. When the driver was taken to the patrol car they were asked about any weapons in the car. I had my pistol in the car as well as my permit on my person. The officer came to my door opened it asking me nothing and told me to get out, and "dont reach under that seat" my pistol was in the door. I pointed at it as i got out as asked. He then without asking reached in and got my gun out of the door released the mag checked the chamber, which was already clear and locked the slide back. Then he asked if i had a permit. At which time i showed it to him, then he took it from me and made me stand in the cold, while he searched the vehicle. I later learned he claimed that was probable cause to search the vehicle. I am just curious if this is true.This took place in Alabama so i had no training on how to handle such matters. any info would be great. thanks.
Question from Alabama
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I have been a Law Enforcement Officer for over 28 years in New York. I am glad that someone has touched on this subject. It is a benefit to any L.E.O., when the person they have stopped understands how dangerous an encounter could turn out when the citizen is armed. I think this type of communication is beneficial to both sides. Law Enforcement, and the armed citizen. In my state, very little training or information is given to people who have received a CCW. This video is one thave every Legally Armed Citizen should see. Thanks for working with the Police to address this subject.
Major Tom Salenger
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If the driver took any more time to get his papers from the glove comparmtment, I think I woul have drawn my gun.
Too much time and digging for my nerves.
'Name Withheld'
Police Officer
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